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Korra Discussion Post: Skeletons in the Closet & Endgame
The two-part season finale of Korra airs today! Spoilery discussion below.
Although we've reached the end of the season, do be mindful that not everyone will be able to catch up at the same time and continue to mark for spoilers when posting to the comm. Thank you! <3
Although we've reached the end of the season, do be mindful that not everyone will be able to catch up at the same time and continue to mark for spoilers when posting to the comm. Thank you! <3
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Lin is cured. Because a world without SpiderLin is a rotten world.
The World War II dogfights were exciting.
The Meh:
Amon, Tarlok and their manpain x 2,000,000. Daddy issues, everywhere, eh? How can a series ostensibly centered on a female Avatar be all about Daddy -- and lesser so -- Brother Issues? And Amon's unmasking was a real letdown, imho.
Poor Asami. Let's give her Iroh as a consolation prize. Or not.
That was one rushed ending, Aang's Ghostly Thumb Fixes All. I guess this was only supposed to be one season?
Korra and Mako are in love. That's not very exciting either. :(
I love the world this is set in, I'm just not crazy about the narrative set in it.
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You just put into words exactly what was bothering me about the ending. I know the creators had only twelve episodes, but it is possible to tell a well paced, cohesive story within that episode length. And they worked on this show for about two years.
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1) For those of you who said that Amon and Yakone were related: Well done. Also, I was impressed with Amon when I thought he actually burned his face to sell his story. Alas.
2) Holy shit, Tarrlok! Yeah, that's all I was able to say during his final moments.
3) Hurray for the Avatar state and undoing whatever Amon did!
4) I am SO glad I decided from the get go not to ship people and I really wish there wasn't so much romance drama in the show. *sigh*
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On the one hand, it was shocking to see Tarrlok blow up their boat. On the other, Noatak is skilled enough that the writers could retcon it if they get a third season, or more. Though I really hope they won't.
I knew I wasn't going to ship canon by the second episode, so I am safe with Korrasami.
I was surprised she got her bending back so quickly. I suppose they couldn't have ended the series that way and couldn't go back to change it. But it was beautiful of course.
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It's really obnoxious how they didn't leave room to ship everything. Why not? Just have Asami and Mako drift apart and everybody be friends with the occasional spark for a while.
This is the first episode I watched on TV instead of later on the 'net, and I really could not restrain myself from booing all the Korra/Mako bits. I hate it that much!!! I am usually indifferent to this sort of thing! Too much, too soon, too badly done! Grah!
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I really, really wanted more Korra-and-Asami scenes, to show that yeah, they actually are friends. That was one of the thing that got ATLA so much praise, there were very well written lady-friendships even when they were all very different people. Dropping that much-praised element in a female-fronted edition of Avatar makes no sense at all. Not to mention, if you insist on doing bullshit love triangles, having everyone genuinely, strongly like each other would make it that much more awkward and painful for everyone
and increase the output of tasty, tasty polyshipping fic.I was also hoping for more Mako-and-Bolin brotherly scenes--they've had a really tough life, they're each others' only constant, they have to be pretty tight. Mako barely expresses any affection for Bolin at all, he's mostly just mad at him or running to rescue him. It sucks.
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My problems:
1) Too rushed, with not enough emotional resonance with respect to the protagonists - although, again, I don't think anything could have had the emotional resonance of the previous episode. A way to make this work, though, would perhaps have been to allow Korra to be without her bending for a longer period of time - although I understand why they didn't (they would have to deal with complaints about a female lead being depowered and 'incompetent', then, and they may not want to come across like that). To allow Lin to remain without her bending, as glad as I am that she's fine and that we'll not miss out on her metalbending next series. I cheered when Aang appeared and when Korra went into the Avatar state, don't get me wrong, but it felt a little anti-climactic. It did not feel the show had earned that moment.
2) Slapdash romance plotline. No really, Bryke, I get that this was meant to be a mini-series and you did your best with Korra/Mako, but it's still very pastade on YAY!It's about as slapdash as Aang/Katara, and that's saying something.
3) Predictable in parts. Although, this might just be Tumblr's unerring capacity to predict everything, such as Korra's airbending saving the day.
4) Leaving a lot of questions unanswered. I do not honestly expect the show to answer certain questions in a manner satisfactory to adult viewers like me, but there are still questions like 'but how can the Avatar give back bending?' and 'so what about the point Amon raised?'
Asami vs. Hiroshi Sato was also amazing - Asami has really come onto her own as a character.
Lin is going to KILL Tenzin. As she should. <3
Overall verdict: brilliant in parts, rushed overall like the AtLA finale (complete with deus ex machina!), Lin is the best, can it be S2 already?
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I understand that they had no idea that they were getting an S2, but how on earth did they think that was an acceptable ending for their series? How has she learned about bending vs non-bending in Republic City?
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Asami was great for the entire finale. She and Bolin made a good team, too.
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-Where can the show go from here? I thought they were going to keep her bending off and the avatar state and stretch out the whole spiritual awakening in book 2. Same with Mako and Korra. She's got it back and he said he loved her. What now? Is there even going to be a book 2?
-My stream cut off as Korra was revealing Amon and the Lt (who is hawt by the way) was like "What nonsense is she talking about?" I got it back when they were in the snow field and Asami got electrocuted. I missed all of that. What was the dialogue? Was it important? I got the impression from ontd_lok on LJ that Tarlock (unf dat hair) made it up????
-Mako didn't even break up with Asami before saying he loved Korra. I'm just so mad at him right now and I feel sorry for Asami. Everyone is shipping her with Iroh. I'm going to lol if he turns out married.
-I hated how she got her bending back. I wanted it dragged out but it was wham bam here's Aang and here's your bending in one swoop. I felt cheated.
-Bolin needed more lines.
-I need fanart of Amon (I forgot his real name already) and Tarlok looking sexy. Speaking of which, I didn't expect that ending with them.
-Where is Tahno? I want to see him get his bending back and his hair....mainly the hair. I mean come on, the hair.
That's really about it for me. I overall liked the series.
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http://www.avclub.com/articles/skeletons-in-the-closetendgame,81693/
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Yeah, Iroh should definitely be married. Also, there should be same sex couples. And I should get my own air bison.
Asami continues to be my favorite ever. Bolin needs more lines. And possibly an adorable puppy crush on Lin?
I really liked the lt. guy. Is he dead? I hope he will be back leading a movement for equality within the law, or otherwise being awesome.
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I want a polar-bear dog.
A lot.
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But actually I'm much more of the fire ferret type.
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Everything was fixed way too easily. Tarrlok and Amon had more character development than the main cast. The whole "I love you!" thing felt so forced and fake as does that whole relationship.
I didn't care for it, but I still am okay with the show. I just expected more after A:tla.
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But the ending ... gah. Okay, I get that they believed it would be a single season, so they couldn't leave things in limbo. And Lin getting her bending back was a big squee! moment. However, I really did believe that they were setting it up for a situation in which Korra is limited exclusively to airbending and has to unlock the other elements one by one. It would have been a great, very natural way of depowering her. As it was, everything was just WAY too easy and tied the whole thing off with a frustratingly neat and tidy (and very rushed) bow on top.
At least until the second season, I can cling to a certain amount of headcanon regarding Korra's bending not having come back completely. The ending is actually ambiguous enough that it's very plausible to imagine she can only bend the other elements in the avatar state -- we never actually see anything else, and no one SAYS anything about it, which makes me cross my fingers hoping that's the case. Because otherwise, I can't imagine what sort of character arc they could have for her in season two. She's overcome her one big challenge, she's already pretty good with the other elements, she's learning to be less hotheaded and more patient, and she's still got a large and powerful support system that basically encompasses all the world's movers and shakers ... what is left to do with her?
And I really felt like Asami got screwed over by the love triangle. I wish we could've at least had a scene that gives some resolution on Asami/Mako (and a dignified exit from that relationship for Asami) rather than Mako basically doing what he's been doing all along and running off to see Korra behind her back.
I'm also majorly frustrated with the lack of attention to rebuilding the city -- the large-scale benders vs. nonbenders issue was basically dropped in favor of a focus on the characters' problems in these episodes, which normally I would not really have a problem with, except that it was dropped completely and the bigger political picture isn't even lightly name-checked at the end. All the tensions that existed at the beginning of the show are not only still there, but almost certainly worse than ever now (which may be the main focus of season two, I don't know, but I really would've liked at least a nod to the state of the city at the end). I would MUCH rather have seen Tarlok turn down Noatak's offer and stay at home to help fix the mess he helped create (which is actually what I thought he was going to do), rather than going out in a suicide attack.
So, yeah ... I think I would've loved it if they'd drawn it out over just one more episode, and left more things unresolved at the end, because there was a lot of great raw material to work with. But my final reaction is a resounding "meh" with a few little bits of squee here and there.
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Yeah, exactly. He had a legitimate point earlier that his behaviour toward Korra wasn't inherently sketch (though refusing to discuss it with Asami made him more of a dick), but this shit totally was. You can't make the last scene of an established couple be them discussing how much they care without saying a word about breaking up, and then have one of them kissing someone else! I like to believe that in the time between Amon's death and Korra getting her bending back, Asami and Mako did break up because otherwise it says some pretty awful things about both him and Korra, but why on earth didn't they put it in the show? If Asami giving him a peck on the cheek was supposed to be break-up coding, all I can say is that that's not enough and only encourages the baffling code-breaker view of relationship communication.
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I could accept starting a character out as having a temper and some screwy thought processes, but you'd think there would kind of be some character growth along the line? Instead, he's gotten a season pass for dick behavior. IDGI.
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ZukoIroh.I'm also not sorry about there being a happy Korra/Mako ending and me liking it despite Mako being a total douche to Asami. I just like it. It's like cotton candy with blue and red swirls in it for my fannish heart. I don't like all the hate Asami gets, how she totally gets screwed over in this triangle, and I wish the romance was written better and that there would be some freaking RESOLUTION, CHRIST MAKO ASAMI DESERVES BETTER THAN THAT, but hey! It's done and released into the wild, and that's what fanfiction is for. I have a fondness for Korra/Mako that cannot be denied; I love it as much as I love Korra/Everyone! I love this show and I love all the characters and for the most part I love the fandom, but holy crap is the shipping rabid.
So suck it, hatersSo calm those titties down!I loved this season, even all of its rushed bits and pieces. I hope the writers get their shit together in the following seasons and we get more world building! The Benders vs Nonbenders issue is at a high point; what's going to happen now that Amon is gone? Who's going to step up and pick up where Amon left off?
tl;dr YAY WHEN DO WE GET MORE?
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Which only made it more heartbreaking when Amon bloodbended him. Ouch, right in the heartstrings.
Everything other than that felt cheap, rushed or underdeveloped. My stream did get a bit funky around that time but I saw no good reason for Tarlokk to kill himself and his brother, it was a letdown and a waste of two perfectly good characters.
(Specially since Amon was shown to be a total babe under the mask)Mako continues to suck and is still dragging Korra through the mud in my books. I'm worried that he didn't break things up with Asami properly.
The avatar state and Korra's bending was handled horribly, I'm only slightly exagerating when I say that I could have gone to get a snack after she lost her bending and returned to find her cured. Talk about rushing.
I don't regret having watched the series (I loved the pro bending and spiffy battles even if I now realize just how useless they were) but I hope things improve next season.
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Which only made it more heartbreaking when Amon bloodbended him. Ouch, right in the heartstrings.
THIS! I became an instant shipper! Add bloodbending and shake once.
High hopes for next season.
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Maybe I'm just in love with airbending is all.
Much as I adore Korra, which I still do, I can't help but wonder what the Bolin&Asami show would be like. Asami is the greatest, and Bolin is hilarious, and they never seem to banter quite as much as I'd like. I think their interactions have a lot of potential. They'd be awesome BFFs.
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There was so little about the underlying social conflicts and injustices in this episode, which made Korra's sudden 'enlightenment' at the end seem too cheap and easy. None of the main characters deal with the actual issues that spurred the conflict, only its fallout. Which begs the question as to why Korra is a "legend" at all. This might be acceptable, except A:TLA did the exact opposite. It even invented a new conflict/injustice that needed to be overcome, then overcame it (even in a clumsy way). The conclusion of A:TLA was about ending imperialism and nationalism. They even had a follow-up comic about how to go about doing that. Instead, with this series, we have a superficial ending focusing on punching, explosions, and Korra upholding status quo bending practices because they're "the coolest thing in the world".
By the time Korra & Iroh II finally met I was already shipping them. They seemed to have way more actual chemistry than Makorra. Maybe it's because I have a thing about when dudes say "you saved my life!" in an awed voice while a superpowered woman holds them. Somehow that seems like the most super romantic thing ever, to me. {shrug}
I hope Mako & Korra break up by the end of season 2. I really was willing to give Mako the benefit of the doubt, because earlier it didn't seem like he realised that he was continually ditching Asami to help Korra, especially since they were mostly in crisis situations at the time. But it was obvious by the finale that he knows what he's doing... and doesn't care. I honestly no longer see what Korra sees in him, other than that he seems to follow her around like a puppy a lot. I think it's that she's a teenager, and therefore has horrible taste in men. Nobody's told her yet that bad boys are actually incredibly boring - their drama & manpain become really tedious after not too long, and hopefully by then you've realised they're emotionally empty too, thanks to their incredible self-involvement.
I was bona fide terrified when Amon brought out Tenzin & the kids. The horror of the genocide of the Air Nomads was brought back, and it seemed to really illustrate Amon's callousness, violence and megalomania. Because there he was, about to commit genocide again. For once, I was relieved Korra was brash, hasty and confrontational!
I was actually a bit intrigued by the end. I seem to have all these feels whenever we see Aang! I was sort of hoping that season 2 would involve Korra travelling the world and re-learning the bending disciplines from various masters, just like Aang did. Until Aang himself showed up and deus ex machinated it.
And some people have been going "but how could energybending have restored a power that was taken away by bloodbending?!" But I actually kind of have a theory about that...
Maybe energybending isn’t another discipline of bending, but some kind of meta-bending. So energybending can both take away bending and bestow bending on people who have no bending. That would mean Aang wasn’t restoring Korra’s bending, but giving her new bending powers. This would also explain how the Avatar line would be saved from dying out (except if the Avatar was killed in the Avatar State, I guess? Or maybe energybending was something even Roku and the previous Avatars he'd made contact with didn't know about or had forgotten).
This would mean that Korra now has the power to let anyone in the world become a bender, even be able to master all the elements. This might be a possible resolution to the the social inequality theme/plot issue (but only that between benders & non-benders). Maybe she spends season 2 discovering that power. Perhaps that is the ‘legend’ of Korra: allowing anyone who wants to to use the power of bending.
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Yakone had his children after he lost his bending, and they inherited it from him. Lin and Korra had their bending restored as if Amon's technique blocked bending rather than removed it, although that's debatable. Amon removing all airbending activity from the world would probably have had a serious spiritual effect, but if he didn't murder Tenzin and the children then they could still have future airbending children.
This would mean that Korra now has the power to let anyone in the world become a bender, even be able to master all the elements.
That would be fantastic to see, although perhaps it would be considered "imbalance" to give bending to former non-benders. Logistically it would be impossible for Korra to give everyone bending. I think a story block in the way of that might be Asami: it's important to balance out the team with a non-bender, like Sokka in the previous series, and yet if Korra started giving out bending there's no reason why she wouldn't start with her friend.
Bending is an advantage, but Sato technology has shown that there are many areas you don't need bending to be successful. Perhaps it's through technology and increased knowledge that non-benders have gained enough power to *start* protesting like this in the first place. Bending gives characters a physical advantage in a fight, but as a society becomes more technology-based it may be more important to know how to design a tank than how to metalbend the wires in a factory worker's job, to understand human anatomy and how to create medicines rather than how to spread magic water over a wound, how to handle large-scale administration for a whole city rather than to be a waterbending sewer worker cleaning up one grate.
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Is she going to restore Tahno's? Probably. What about Lightning Bolt Zolt's?
Is chi-blocking still illegal?
And the biggest question of all: Can Korra give bending to someone who never had it? If not, why not? If so, will she ever do that?
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I'm really annoyed at the resolution to Korra's bending being taken away, especially the weirdness of Aang showing up when she starts crying. There was already way too much Korra being rescued in this ep, and it makes no sense that you are at your closest to the spirit world when you're very sad. Not that "tears are ok" isn't a message kids need, but she could have cried, then pulled herself together and come to the conclusion that she was going to do the hard thing and become a really good airbender and try to do her best at being the Avatar anyway. That way, when Aang showed up it would have been more about the importance of being at peace with yourself and making hard choices and being willing to make sacrifices and tying that kind of state into spiritual merit/power rather than just being upset. Also if we had even a line that indicated that Aang was teaching Korra to give back bending rather than just taking her over to do it, it would stop making her seem so useless. I like Korra, but the show keeps doing incredibly dull things with her.
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I'm really hoping that the second season will be all about resolving the social justice issues that remain painfully unresolved, since most of the personal character issues have been wrapped up. I think it would be really interesting to see a new Equalist leader rise, someone more genuine than Amon was, and then Korra and the others have to work with this person and this movement that previously they had been fighting.
I get the dissatisfaction with how Korra got her bending back, and I do think it would have made an interesting second season to have her remaster the other three elements, but thinking about it, I kinda feel like if Korra had gone on a quest to remaster the elements, it would have taken her away from Republic City and the problems that remain. With her bending fully restored, there's hope that in the second season, we'll watch Korra grow as a leader. She's been a teammate, a student, a pawn, a maverick, but she hasn't yet really been a leader. (Which I don't think is a flaw on the show's part at all. She needed to be all those things before she could/can/will come into her own as a leader.)
Personally, I didn't much care for Amon's backstory. Not so much the story itself, but the manner in which it was delivered. It was very info-dump-y, and kind of out of character for Tarrlok. He sounded like a generic omniscient narrator as opposed to someone giving his version of his brother's life story. He was way too detached from it, had too much perspective on the issue. He and Naotok had messed up childhoods, and it takes more than a few days/weeks locked in prison to come to terms with that kind of childhood trauma. His selflessness, his "put an end to this tragic tale!" ? I didn't buy it.
Which is why I also don't see his suicide with Amon at the end as any kind of redemption. Amon was cruel, manipulative, a liar, ruthless, and unforgiving, but he didn't start the Equalist movement just to get power, or even just to get revenge for his father. Tarrlok said himself that Naotok had always been determined to see people treated fairly. Would he have tried to start a revolution again? Probably. But I feel like Tarrlok did it out of revenge, not to protect the world. He's proud and vindictive -- we saw that when he arrested Korra's friends to get her to shut up and back off, and when he, you know, all but tried to kill her when she refused to cooperate with him. All of his life he's been weaker than his brother, and then his brother takes away his power completely. He didn't know there was a way he could get his bending back, and he was already a pariah in Republic City. What did he have to live for? Might as well kill the person who completely destroyed his life, even if that meant dying in the process.
I doubt that's how the creators intended me to see it, but that's really the only way I can make sense of what Tarrlok did. (And, okay, I have a soft spot the size of a planet for Amon. He is my crazy messed up twisted darling.)
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I kinda agree with this part, mostly because he wasn't just in jail, but more specifically solitary confinement. For what must have been a relatively decent amount of time, since his brother's had him since Korra got away. (Solitary confinement is supposed to be like the worst mental torture ever on a human being. Him being clear and thought out doesn't fit into that very well. But on the other hand, he would have had a lot of time to think and for all I know his brother was coming up to chat about their past every day, so...)
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cant wait for next season!
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I think Asami and Iroh would be amazing together, though they haven't worked together much yet, but I think there'd be a lot of chemistry there.
Her father really is a terrible person and father. I'd say maybe he'd pull his head out of his butt if he saw his daughter's life at stake but he was ready to kill her himself, so I don't exactly see him hitting a redemption point...
I think Korra suddenly having tons of spiritual energy and ability to spirit/air-bend is kinda silly even if she did get help from Aang. She's really got a difficulty with spirituality. And I think even though she can feel sadness at hearing other peoples' stories she's got some empathy issues as well. If they'd left it at her knowing there is a way to restore bending and Aang having restored her bending abilities, I think that would have probably worked better. But then, I guess if they want to approach other problems next season she couldn't be spending all her time mastering air-bending/spirit-bending.
I hope they approach the social issues a lot more next season.